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One practitioner's adventure in [[Tibetan]] [[Medicine]]
 
  
It's A Matter of {{Wiki|Taste}}
 
It came to my [[attention]] yesterday that there is a [[difference]] in the way [[Indian]] Ayurvedic treatises list the six tastes in terms of how they remove the three doṣas and the manner in which the Explanatory [[Tantra]] lists them.
 
  
To summarize the two systems, the six tastes are made up of the following combination of [[elements]] according to the Carakasamhitā [Sūtrasthana, 26:40]:
 
  
[[earth]] and [[water]] = sweet
 
[[fire]] and [[earth]] = sour
 
[[water]] and [[fire]] = salty
 
[[air]] and [[fire]] = hot/pungent
 
[[air]] and [[space]] = bitter
 
[[air]] and [[earth]] = astringent
 
  
The list in the Explanatory [[Tantra]], chapter 19:
 
  
  
[[earth]] and [[water]] = sweet
 
[[fire]] and [[earth]] = sour
 
[[water]] and [[fire]] = salty
 
[[water]] and [[air]] = bitter
 
[[air]] and [[fire]] = hot/pungent
 
[[air]] and [[earth]] = astringent
 
  
Here we can see a slight [[difference]] in the presentation: bitter is constituted of [[air]] and [[space]] according to Carak, but according to the Explanatory [[Tantra]], it is constituted of [[water]] and [[air]]. This is not a major [[difference]], but it is noteworthy, since it should and does affect the principles of the application of tastes to the different doṣas in each system.
 
  
This brings us to another, more important [[difference]]. In the Aṣṭāṇga Samgrahā, [Sūtrasthana 18: 5 onwards] it is stated that:
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One practitioner's adventure in [[Tibetan]] [[Medicine]]
  
Sweet removes vata and pitta
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It's A Matter of {{Wiki|Taste}}
Sour removes vata
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It came to my [[attention]] yesterday that there is a [[difference]] in the way [[Indian]] {{Wiki|Ayurvedic}} treatises list the [[six tastes]] in terms of how they remove the three [[doṣas]] and the manner in which the [[Explanatory Tantra]] lists them.
Salty removes vata
 
Bitter removes pitta and kapha
 
Hot/Pungent removes kapha
 
Astringent removes kapha and pitta
 
  
Further, Suśruta states [Sūtrasthana chp. 42]:
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To summarize the two systems, the [[six tastes]] are made up of the following combination of [[elements]] according to the Carakasamhitā Sūtrasthana, 26:40]:
  
    Sweet, sour and salty mitigate vata; sweet, bitter and astringent mitigate pitta; hot, bitter and astringent mitigate kapha.
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[[earth]] and [[water]] = [[sweet]]
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[[fire]] and [[earth]] = [[sour]]
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[[water]] and [[fire]] = [[salty]]
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[[air]] and [[fire]] = [[hot]]/[[pungent]]
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[[air]] and [[space]] = [[bitter]]
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[[air]] and [[earth]] = [[astringent]]
  
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The list in the Explanatory [[Tantra]], [[chapter]] 19:
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[[earth]] and [[water]] = [[sweet]]
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[[fire]] and [[earth]] = [[sour]]
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[[water]] and [[fire]] = [[salty]]
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[[water]] and [[air]] = [[bitter]]
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[[air]] and [[fire]] = [[hot]]/[[pungent]]
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[[air]] and [[earth]] = [[astringent]]
  
However, in the Explanatory [[Tantra]], the following explanation is given:
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Here we can see a slight [[difference]] in the presentation: [[bitter]] is constituted of [[air]] and [[space]] according to Carak, but according to the99 Explanatory [[Tantra]])], it is constituted of [[water]] and [[air]]. This is not a major [[difference]], but it is noteworthy, since it should and does affect the {{Wiki|principles}} of the application of {{Wiki|tastes}} to the different [[doṣas]] in each system.
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This brings us to another, more important [[difference]]. In the [[Aṣṭāṇga Samgrahā]], [[Sūtrasthana]] 18: 5 onwards] it is stated that:
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[[File:B hist45.jpg|thumb|250px|]]
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[[Sweet]] removes [[vata]] and [[pitta]]
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[[Sour]] removes [[vata]]
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[[Salty]] removes vata
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[[Bitter]] removes [[pitta]] and [[kapha]]
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[[Hot]]/[[Pungent]] removes [[kapha]]
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[[Astringent]] removes [[kapha]] and [[pitta]]
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Further, [[Suśruta]] states [[Sūtrasthana]] chp. 42]:
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    [[Sweet]], [[sour]] and [[salty]] mitigate [[vata]]; [[sweet]], [[bitter]] and [[astringent]] mitigate [[pitta]]; [[hot]], [[bitter]] and [[astringent]] mitigate [[kapha]].
  
    Sweet, sour, salty and hot subdue vata;
 
    bitter, sweet and astringent removes pitta;
 
    hot, sour and salty removes [[kappa]].
 
  
So the observant reader will note that there is a significant [[difference]] between the lists presented in the two [[Indian]] texts and the [[Tibetan]] text. In reviewing the tastes with a colleague, this [[difference]] sparked my curiosity.
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However, in the Explanatory [[Tantra]], the following explanation is given:
  
Naturally since there is a discrepancy between the [[Indian]] Acaryas and the [[Tibetan]] system, such a [[difference]] would hardly go unnoticed.
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    [[Sweet]], [[sour]], [[salty]] and [[hot]] subdue [[vata]];
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    [[bitter]], [[sweet]] and [[astringent]] removes [[pitta]];
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    [[hot]], [[sour]] and [[salty]] removes [[kappa]].
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[[File:Boo30tbb.jpg|thumb|250px|]]
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So the observant reader will note that there is a significant [[difference]] between the lists presented in the two [[Indian]] texts and the [[Tibetan]] text. In reviewing the {{Wiki|tastes}} with a colleague, this [[difference]] sparked my {{Wiki|curiosity}}.
  
Is there in fact a real [[difference]] between these two lists? As it turns out, this issue is addressed in a commentary by Sum ston ye shes gzungs on the Explanatory [[Tantra]] called the 'bum chung gsal sgron nor bu'i 'phreng mdzes. First, to give context to his subsequent comments, he states:
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Naturally since there is a discrepancy between the [[Indian]] [[Acaryas]] and the [[Tibetan]] system, such a [[difference]] would hardly go unnoticed.
  
    Through the combination of the four [[elements]], [[earth]], [[water]], [[fire]] and [[air]], sweet comes from the combination of [[earth]] and [[water]]. Sour comes from [[earth]] and [[water]]. Astringent comes from [[earth]] and [[air]]. Three tastes come from [[earth]] combinations. Then, leaving aside [[earth]]; salty comes from [[water]] and [[fire]]. Bitter comes from [[water]] and [[air]] i.e. two come from a [[water]] combination and thus the addition of two more gives rise to five tastes. Then, leaving [[water]] aside, the combination of [[fire]] and [[air]] produces hot...
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Is there in fact a real [[difference]] between these two lists? As it turns out, this issue is addressed in a commentary by [[Sum ston ye shes gzungs]] on the [[Explanatory Tantra]] called the '[[bum chung gsal sgron nor bu'i 'phreng mdzes]]. First, to give context to his subsequent comments, he states:
  
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    Through the combination of the four [[elements]], [[earth]], [[water]], [[fire]] and [[air]], sweet comes from the combination of [[earth]] and [[water]]. [[Sour]] comes from [[earth]] and [[water]]. [[Astringent]] comes from [[earth]] and [[air]]. Three {{Wiki|tastes}} come from [[earth]] combinations. Then, leaving aside [[earth]]; [[salty]] comes from [[water]] and [[fire]]. [[Bitter]] comes from [[water]] and [[air]] i.e. two come from a [[water]] combination and thus the addition of two more gives rise to five {{Wiki|tastes}}. Then, leaving [[water]] aside, the combination of [[fire]] and [[air]] produces [[hot]]...
  
After addressing other issues connected with the tastes and so on, he addresses the very point I introduce above -- the fact that there is a discrepancy between the [[Indian]] texts and the Explanatory [[Tantra]]. In the context of [[writing]] about the post digestive tastes, he comments:
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After addressing other issues connected with the {{Wiki|tastes}} and so on, he addresses the very point I introduce above -- the fact that there is a discrepancy between the [[Indian]] texts and the Explanatory [[Tantra]]. In the context of [[writing]] about the post digestive {{Wiki|tastes}}, he comments:
  
     For example, it is like the [[difference]] between [[India]] and [[Tibet]]. Since [[India]] is a dry place afflicted with heat, bitter and astringent tastes are said to remove kapha; but since [[Tibet]] is very cold, bitter and astringent are harmful to kapha. Also in [[India]], the hot {{Wiki|taste}} is harmful to vata; but since [[Tibet]] is a cool country, the warming effect of the hot {{Wiki|taste}} is stronger than its [[light]] and rough effects. Since the cold of vata is subdued through its warmth, hot is beneficial for vata. In [[India]], salty is harmful to kapha; but in [[Tibet]], since the [[action]] of generating digestive heat [[exists]] in salt is stronger than the oily effect [sneha] of salt, it is likewise beneficial for kapha.  
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     For example, it is like the [[difference]] between [[India]] and [[Tibet]]. Since [[India]] is a dry place afflicted with heat, [[bitter]] and [[astringent]] {{Wiki|tastes}} are said to remove [[kapha]]; but since [[Tibet]] is very cold, [[bitter]] and [[astringent]] are harmful to [[kapha]]. Also in [[India]], the [[hot]] {{Wiki|taste}} is harmful to vata; but since [[Tibet]] is a cool country, the warming effect of the [[hot]] {{Wiki|taste}} is stronger than its [[light]] and rough effects. Since the cold of [[vata]] is subdued through its warmth, [[hot]] is beneficial for [[vata]]. In [[India]], [[salty]] is harmful to [[kapha]]; but in [[Tibet]], since the [[action]] of generating digestive heat [[exists]] in [[salt]] is stronger than the oily effect [[sneha]] of [[salt]], it is likewise beneficial for [[kapha]].  
  
I think there is an [[extraordinary]] lesson here. Despite the apparent differences between the formulation of tastes and their properties in removing the three doṣas, in [[reality]] the underlying theory of these two systems is identical.
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I think there is an [[extraordinary]] lesson here. Despite the apparent differences between the formulation of {{Wiki|tastes}} and their properties in removing the three [[doṣas]], in [[reality]] the underlying {{Wiki|theory}} of these two systems is [[identical]].
  
We are taught in both [[Ayurveda]] and [[Tibetan]] [[Medicine]] that we must take into account the environment we find out patients in and so on. In many popular [[books]] on [[Tibetan]] [[Medicine]] and [[Ayurveda]], these lists of tastes, the [[foods]] that bear them and what they are purported to be good for are recommended uncritically irrespective of season and local. For example, in New England, where I [[live]], we have very cold winters, and very hot summers. It suggests that the range of tastes we recommend for a patient will [[change]] seasonally. It supposes that a patient we  treat in Arizona or Southern California will be prescribed a different matrix of tastes than a [[person]] who [[lives]] in Oregon or Seattle for the same doṣa [[condition]].
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We are [[taught]] in both [[Ayurveda]] and [[Tibetan]] [[Medicine]] that we must take into account the {{Wiki|environment}} we find out patients in and so on. In many popular [[books]] on [[Tibetan]] [[Medicine]] and [[Ayurveda]], these lists of {{Wiki|tastes}}, the [[foods]] that bear them and what they are purported to be good for are recommended uncritically irrespective of season and local. For example, in New [[England]], where I [[live]], we have very cold winters, and very [[hot]] summers. It suggests that the range of {{Wiki|tastes}} we recommend for a {{Wiki|patient}} will change seasonally. It supposes that a {{Wiki|patient}} we  treat in Arizona or Southern [[California]] will be prescribed a different [[matrix]] of {{Wiki|tastes}} than a [[person]] who [[lives]] in {{Wiki|Oregon}} or {{Wiki|Seattle}} for the same [[doṣa]] [[condition]].
  
[[People]] often select for salads and so on to lose weight. In [[Ayurveda]] especially, you can see [[diet]] [[books]] that mark bitter, astringent and hot dishes as kaphahara i.e. kapha removing. But if a patient actually consumes these bitter and astringent [[foods]] in the middle of winter in New England, it could be harmful to them. But if, following a [[Tibetan]] doctor's advice, they eat sour and salty [[foods]] in the middle of a hot summer to alleviate a kapha [[condition]], likewise they could [[experience]] vitiation of their kapha doṣa instead. Likewise, if a kapha-afflicted or vata afflicted [[person]] in Latin America chooses to eat based on the recommendations found in the Explanatory [[Tantra]], they could likewise [[experience]] doṣa vitiation.
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[[People]] often select for salads and so on to lose {{Wiki|weight}}. In [[Ayurveda]] especially, you can see [[diet]] [[books]] that mark [[bitter]], [[astringent]] and [[hot]] dishes as [[kaphahara]] i.e. [[kapha]] removing. But if a {{Wiki|patient}} actually consumes these [[bitter]] and [[astringent]] [[foods]] in the middle of winter in New [[England]], it could be harmful to them. But if, following a [[Tibetan]] doctor's advice, they eat [[sour]] and [[salty]] [[foods]] in the middle of a [[hot]] summer to alleviate a [[kapha]] [[condition]], likewise they could [[experience]] vitiation of their [[kapha]] [[doṣa]] instead. Likewise, if a [[kapha]]-afflicted or [[vata]] afflicted [[person]] in {{Wiki|Latin America}} chooses to eat based on the recommendations found in the [[Explanatory Tantra]], they could likewise [[experience]] [[doṣa]] vitiation.
 
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Latest revision as of 15:23, 28 January 2024

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One practitioner's adventure in Tibetan Medicine

 It's A Matter of Taste
It came to my attention yesterday that there is a difference in the way Indian Ayurvedic treatises list the six tastes in terms of how they remove the three doṣas and the manner in which the Explanatory Tantra lists them.

To summarize the two systems, the six tastes are made up of the following combination of elements according to the Carakasamhitā Sūtrasthana, 26:40]:

earth and water = sweet
fire and earth = sour
water and fire = salty
air and fire = hot/pungent
air and space = bitter
air and earth = astringent

The list in the Explanatory Tantra, chapter 19:

As7573 n.jpg

earth and water = sweet
fire and earth = sour
water and fire = salty
water and air = bitter
air and fire = hot/pungent
air and earth = astringent

Here we can see a slight difference in the presentation: bitter is constituted of air and space according to Carak, but according to the99 Explanatory Tantra)], it is constituted of water and air. This is not a major difference, but it is noteworthy, since it should and does affect the principles of the application of tastes to the different doṣas in each system.

This brings us to another, more important difference. In the Aṣṭāṇga Samgrahā, Sūtrasthana 18: 5 onwards] it is stated that:

B hist45.jpg

Sweet removes vata and pitta
Sour removes vata
Salty removes vata
Bitter removes pitta and kapha
Hot/Pungent removes kapha
Astringent removes kapha and pitta

Further, Suśruta states Sūtrasthana chp. 42]:

    Sweet, sour and salty mitigate vata; sweet, bitter and astringent mitigate pitta; hot, bitter and astringent mitigate kapha.


However, in the Explanatory Tantra, the following explanation is given:

    Sweet, sour, salty and hot subdue vata;
    bitter, sweet and astringent removes pitta;
    hot, sour and salty removes kappa.

Boo30tbb.jpg

So the observant reader will note that there is a significant difference between the lists presented in the two Indian texts and the Tibetan text. In reviewing the tastes with a colleague, this difference sparked my curiosity.

Naturally since there is a discrepancy between the Indian Acaryas and the Tibetan system, such a difference would hardly go unnoticed.

Is there in fact a real difference between these two lists? As it turns out, this issue is addressed in a commentary by Sum ston ye shes gzungs on the Explanatory Tantra called the 'bum chung gsal sgron nor bu'i 'phreng mdzes. First, to give context to his subsequent comments, he states:

    Through the combination of the four elements, earth, water, fire and air, sweet comes from the combination of earth and water. Sour comes from earth and water. Astringent comes from earth and air. Three tastes come from earth combinations. Then, leaving aside earth; salty comes from water and fire. Bitter comes from water and air i.e. two come from a water combination and thus the addition of two more gives rise to five tastes. Then, leaving water aside, the combination of fire and air produces hot...

After addressing other issues connected with the tastes and so on, he addresses the very point I introduce above -- the fact that there is a discrepancy between the Indian texts and the Explanatory Tantra. In the context of writing about the post digestive tastes, he comments:

    For example, it is like the difference between India and Tibet. Since India is a dry place afflicted with heat, bitter and astringent tastes are said to remove kapha; but since Tibet is very cold, bitter and astringent are harmful to kapha. Also in India, the hot taste is harmful to vata; but since Tibet is a cool country, the warming effect of the hot taste is stronger than its light and rough effects. Since the cold of vata is subdued through its warmth, hot is beneficial for vata. In India, salty is harmful to kapha; but in Tibet, since the action of generating digestive heat exists in salt is stronger than the oily effect sneha of salt, it is likewise beneficial for kapha.

I think there is an extraordinary lesson here. Despite the apparent differences between the formulation of tastes and their properties in removing the three doṣas, in reality the underlying theory of these two systems is identical.

We are taught in both Ayurveda and Tibetan Medicine that we must take into account the environment we find out patients in and so on. In many popular books on Tibetan Medicine and Ayurveda, these lists of tastes, the foods that bear them and what they are purported to be good for are recommended uncritically irrespective of season and local. For example, in New England, where I live, we have very cold winters, and very hot summers. It suggests that the range of tastes we recommend for a patient will change seasonally. It supposes that a patient we treat in Arizona or Southern California will be prescribed a different matrix of tastes than a person who lives in Oregon or Seattle for the same doṣa condition.

People often select for salads and so on to lose weight. In Ayurveda especially, you can see diet books that mark bitter, astringent and hot dishes as kaphahara i.e. kapha removing. But if a patient actually consumes these bitter and astringent foods in the middle of winter in New England, it could be harmful to them. But if, following a Tibetan doctor's advice, they eat sour and salty foods in the middle of a hot summer to alleviate a kapha condition, likewise they could experience vitiation of their kapha doṣa instead. Likewise, if a kapha-afflicted or vata afflicted person in Latin America chooses to eat based on the recommendations found in the Explanatory Tantra, they could likewise experience doṣa vitiation.

Source

www.bhaisajya.net