Greco-Buddhism: The unknown influence and contribution of the Greeks.

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The Greco-Bactrians conquered parts of northern India from 180 BCE, whence they are known as the Indo-Greeks. They controlled various areas of the northern Indian territory until 10 CE.
Buddhism prospered under the Indo-Greek kings, and it has been suggested that their invasion of India was intended to protect the Buddhist faith from the religious persecutions of the new Indian dynasty of the Sungas (185–73 BCE) which had overthrown the Mauryans.


A large Greek city built by Demetrius and rebuilt by Menander has been excavated at the archaeological site of Sirkap near Taxila, where Buddhist stupas were standing side-by-side with Hindu and Greek temples, indicating religious tolerance and syncretism.

Evidence of direct religious interaction between Greek and Buddhist thought during the period include the Milinda Panha, a Buddhist discourse in the platonic style, held between king Menander and the Buddhist monk Nagasena.

Buddhist tradition recognizes Menander as one of the great benefactors of the faith, together with Asoka and Kanishka.

Buddhist manuscripts in cursive Greek have been found in Afghanistan, praising various Buddhas and including mentions of the Mahayana Lokesvara-raja Buddha (λωγοασφαροραζοβοδδο). These manuscripts have been dated later than the 2nd century CE. (Nicholas Sims-Williams, "A Bactrian Buddhist Manuscript").
Some elements of the Mahayana movement may have begun around the 1st century BCE in northwestern India, at the time and place of these interactions. According to most scholars, the main sutras of Mahayana were written after 100 BCE, when sectarian conflicts arose among Nikaya Buddhist sects regarding the humanity or super-humanity of the Buddha and questions of metaphysical essentialism, on which Greek thought may have had some influence: "It may have been a Greek-influenced and Greek-carried form of Buddhism that passed north and east along the Silk Road".



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The Buddha with the legend "BODDO" in Greek script, on a coin of the Kushan king Kanishka, 2nd century CE. After the Greeks were gone from India, that is!


Although there is still some debate, the first anthropomorphic representations of the Buddha himself are often considered a result of the Greco-Buddhist interaction. Before this innovation, Buddhist art was "aniconic": the Buddha was only represented through his symbols (an empty throne, the Bodhi tree, the Buddha's footprints, the Dharma wheel).

Probably not feeling bound by these restrictions, and because of "their cult of form, the Greeks were the first to attempt a sculptural representation of the Buddha".

Many of the stylistic elements in the representations of the Buddha point to Greek influence: the Greco-Roman toga-like wavy robe covering both shoulders (more exactly, its lighter version, the Greek himation), the contrapposto stance of the upright figures (see: 1st–2nd century Gandhara standing Buddhas[17]), the stylicized Mediterranean curly hair and topknot (ushnisha) apparently derived from the style of the Belvedere Apollo (330 BCE),[18] and the measured quality of the faces, all rendered with strong artistic realism (See: Greek art). A large quantity of sculptures combining Buddhist and purely Hellenistic styles and iconography were excavated at the Gandharan site of Hadda. The 'curly hair' of Buddha is described in the famous list of 32 external characteristics of a Great Being (mahapurusa) that we find all along the Buddhist sutras. The curly hair, with the curls turning to the right is first described in the Pali canon; we find the same description in e.g. the "Dasasahasrika Prajnaparamita".
Greek artists were most probably the authors of these early representations of the Buddha, in particular the standing statues, which display "a realistic treatment of the folds and on some even a hint of modelled volume that characterizes the best Greek work. This is Classical or Hellenistic Greek, not archaizing Greek transmitted by Persia or Bactria, nor distinctively Roman".[19]
The Greek stylistic influence on the representation of the Buddha, through its idealistic realism, also permitted a very accessible, understandable and attractive visualization of the ultimate state of enlightenment described by Buddhism, allowing it reach a wider audience: "One of the distinguishing features of the Gandharan school of art that emerged in north-west India is that it has been clearly influenced by the naturalism of the Classical Greek style. Thus, while these images still convey the inner peace that results from putting the Buddha's doctrine into practice, they also give us an impression of people who walked and talked, etc. and slept much as we do. I feel this is very important. These figures are inspiring because they do not only depict the goal, but also the sense that people like us can achieve it if we try" (His Holiness The 14th Dalai Lama[20]).
Several other Buddhist deities may have been influenced by Greek gods. For example, Herakles with a lion-skin (the protector deity of Demetrius I) "served as an artistic model for Vajrapani, a protector of the Buddha"[21] (See[22]). In Japan, this expression further translated into the wrath-filled and muscular Niō guardian gods of the Buddha, standing today at the entrance of many Buddhist temples.
According to Katsumi Tanabe, professor at Chūō University, Japan (in "Alexander the Great. East-West cultural contact from Greece to Japan"), besides Vajrapani, Greek influence also appears in several other gods of the Mahayana pantheon, such as the Japanese Wind God Fūjin inspired from the Greek Boreas through the Greco-Buddhist Wardo, or the mother deity Hariti[23] inspired by Tyche.
In addition, forms such as garland-bearing cherubs, vine scrolls, and such semi-human creatures as the centaur and triton, are part of the repertory of Hellenistic art introduced by Greco-Roman artists in the service of the Kushan court.


The Buddha, the man-god, is in many ways far more like a Greek god than any other eastern deity, no less for the narrative cycle of his story and appearance of his standing figure than for his humanity".


The close association between Greeks and Buddhism probably led to exchanges on the philosophical plane as well. Many of the early Mahayana theories of reality and knowledge can be related to Greek philosophical schools of thought. Mahayana Buddhism has been described as the "form of Buddhism which (regardless of how Hinduized its later forms became) seems to have originated in the Greco-Buddhist communities of India, through a conflation of the Greek Democritean-Sophistic-Skeptical tradition with the rudimentary and unformalized empirical and skeptical elements already present in early Buddhism" (McEvilly, "The Shape of Ancient Thought", p503).

  • In the Prajnaparamita, the rejection of the reality of passing phenomena as "empty, false and fleeting" can also be found in Greek Pyrrhonism.[26]
  • The perception of ultimate reality was, for the Cynics as well as for the Madhyamakas and Zen teachers after them, only accessible through a non-conceptual and non-verbal approach (Greek Phronesis), which alone allowed to get rid of ordinary conceptions.[27]
  • The mental attitude of equanimity and dispassionate outlook in front of events was also characteristic of the Cynics and Stoics, who called it "Apatheia"[28]
  • Nagarjuna's dialectic developed in the Madhyamaka can be paralleled to the Greek dialectical tradition.

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Herculean depiction of Vajrapani (right), as the protector of the Buddha, 2nd century CE Gandhara, British Museum.


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Buddha in Greek style. This is from modern Pakistan, north of India.



Source: Greco-Buddhism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
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[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aAURSqQ8-Yc]YouTube - Greek Buddhism Pt. 1 of 4[/ame]
 
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Thanks, Thess, very interesting. Didn't know anything about the subject. :)
 
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So, three things are now apparent.

1) The first Western Buddhists were the Greeks.
2) They helped Buddhism spread, especially Menander.
3) Greeks influenced Buddhist thought AND art. Statues of Buddha dressed like Greco-Romans, leave no doubt. That artistic style spread from the Indo-Greeks to all over India and the world.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fx3TYjoCN5w]YouTube - The Indo-Greeks: The First Western Buddhists[/ame]
 
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The gradual spread of Buddhism into adjacent areas meant that it came into contact with new ethnical groups. During this period Buddhism was exposed to a variety of influences, from Persian and Greek civilization, to changing trends in non-Buddhist Indian religions—themselves influenced by Buddhism. Striking examples of this syncretistic development can be seen in the emergence of Greek-speaking Buddhist monarchs in the Indo-Greek Kingdom, and in the development of the Greco-Buddhist art of Gandhāra. A Greek king, Menander, has even been immortalized in the Buddhist canon.


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In reality, Menander imposed Buddhism in the Indo-Greek kingdoms, to control them and get rid of the ancient religion (Hinduism). For the same reason Romans adopted Christianity, in order to get rid of the old pagan religions and rule via one "universal" religion.
 
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AAHH Greece v India fight fight fight

Time to reserect my Australia and Belguim thread me thinks
 
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Τhere is no fight here..... It's about time people knew some things that are not advertised but still exist.
 
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The first known statues of the Buddha are also very realistic and Hellenistic in style and are more consistent with the pre-50 BC artistic level seen on coins. This would tend to suggest that the first statues were created between 130 BC (death of Menander) and 50 BC, precisely at the time when Buddhist symbolism appeared on Indo-Greek coinage. From that time, Menander and his successors may have been the key propagators of Buddhist ideas and representations: "the spread of Gandhari Buddhism may have been stimulated by Menander's royal patronage, as may have the development and spread of Gandharan sculpture, which seems to have accompanied it" (Mc Evilly, "The shape of ancient thought", p378). [ame=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Menander_I]Menander I - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]
 
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Only because our little Indian friend is sleeping. Isn't there a rule against Baiting??????

If this is called baiting, then Historum should not exist in the first place. No, this is not baiting. This is discussion of history, my friend.
 
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The origins of Greco-Buddhist art are to be found in the Hellenistic Greco-Bactrian kingdom (250 BCE- 130 BCE), located in today's Afghanistan, from which Hellenistic culture radiated into the Indian subcontinent with the establishment of the Indo-Greek kingdom (180 BCE-10 BCE). Under the Indo-Greeks and then the Kushans, the interaction of Greek and Buddhist culture flourished in the area of Gandhara, in today's northern Pakistan, before spreading further into India, influencing the art of Mathura, and then the Hindu art of the Gupta empire, which was to extend to the rest of South-East Asia. The influence of Greco-Buddhist art also spread northward towards Central Asia, strongly affecting the art of the Tarim Basin, and ultimately the arts of China, Korea, and Japan.

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References


  • "Religions and the Silk Road" by Richard C. Foltz (St. Martin's Press, 1999) ISBN 0-312-23338-8
  • "The Diffusion of Classical Art in Antiquity" by John Boardman (Princeton University Press, 1994) ISBN 0-691-03680-2
  • "Old World Encounters. Cross-cultural contacts and exchanges in pre-modern times" by Jerry H.Bentley (Oxford University Press, 1993) ISBN 0-19-507639-7
  • "Alexander the Great: East-West Cultural contacts from Greece to Japan" (NHK and Tokyo National Museum, 2003)
  • "The Greeks in Bactria and India" W.W. Tarn, Cambridge University Press
  • "Living Zen" by Robert Linssen (Grove Press New York, 1958) ISBN 0-8021-3136-0
  • "Echoes of Alexander the Great: Silk route portraits from Gandhara" by Marian Wenzel, with a foreword by the Dalai Lama (Eklisa Anstalt, 2000) ISBN 1-58886-014-0
  • "The Crossroads of Asia. Transformation in Image and symbol", 1992, ISBN 0-9518399-1-8
"The Buddhist art of Gandhara", Sir John Marshall, 1960, ISBN 81-215-0967-X

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IMO, it is obvious that Greek form influenced Buddhist art in areas where Greek influence was present, namely, Afghanistan & Pakistani parts of India. However, there is no evidence of Greek 'thought' influencing Buddhism.

The Greco-Bactrian art is a total fusion of Greco-Indic art principles. The dimensions of the figurines are distinctly Greek, while the pose and hand-position of the statues (known as mudras) are distinctly Indian.
 
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IMO, it is obvious that Greek form influenced Buddhist art in areas where Greek influence was present, namely, Afghanistan & Pakistani parts of India. However, there is no evidence of Greek 'thought' influencing Buddhism.

The Greco-Bactrian art is a total fusion of Greco-Indic art principles. The dimensions of the figurines are distinctly Greek, while the pose and hand-position of the statues (known as mudras) are distinctly Indian.


Deities from the Greek mythological pantheon also tend to be incorporated in Buddhist representations, displaying a strong syncretism. In particular, Herakles (of the type of the Demetrius coins, with club resting on the arm) has been used abundantly as the representation of Vajrapani, the protector of the Buddha.[5] Other Greek deities abundantly used in Greco-Buddhist art are representation of Atlas, and the Greek wind god Boreas. Atlas in particular tends to be involved as a sustaining elements in Buddhist architectural elements. Boreas became the Japanese wind god Fujin through the Greco-Buddhist Wardo. The mother deity Hariti was inspired by Tyche.
Particularly under the Kushans, there are also numerous representations of richly adorned, princely Bodhisattvas all in a very realistic Greco-Buddhist style. The Bodhisattvas, characteristic of the Mahayana form of Buddhism, are represented under the traits of Kushan princes, completed with their canonical accessories.

The Greco-Bactrian king Demetrius I (205-171 BCE) himself may have been the prototype for the image of the Buddha. He was king and saviour of India, as confirmed by his successors King Apollodotus I and Menander I, who were officially described as ΒΑΣΙΛΕΩΣ ΣΩTHPOΣ (basileōs sotēros) "saviour king" in the bilingual Greek and Kharoshthi legends of their coins. Demetrius was named Dharmamita ("Friend of the Dharma") in the Indian text of the Yuga Purana. Buddhism flourished under his reign and that of his successors, precisely as it was being oppressed by the Indian dynasty of the Sunga in the East.
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Heracles depiction of Vajrapani as the protector of the Buddha, 2nd century Gandhara, British Museum.


The earliest Hellenistic statues of the Buddha portray him in a style reminiscent of a king, where the traditional Buddhist symbols (the Dharma wheel, the empty throne, the Bodhi tree, the lions) are absent. Demetrius may have been deified, and the first Hellenistic statues of the Buddha we know may be representations of the idealized Greek king, princely, yet friendly, protective and open to Indian culture. As they progressively incorporated more Buddhist elements, they became central to the Buddhist movement, and influenced the representations of the Buddha in Greco-Buddhist art and later.
Another characteristic of Demetrius is associated to the Buddha: they share the same protector deity. In Gandharan art, the Buddha is often shown under the protection of the Greek god Herakles, standing with his club (and later a diamond rod) resting over his arm.[4] This unusual representation of Herakles is the same as the one on the back of Demetrius' coins, and it is exclusively associated to him (and his son Euthydemus II), seen only on the back of his coins.
Soon, the figure of the Buddha was incorporated within architectural designs, such as Corinthian pillars and friezes. Scenes of the life of the Buddha are typically depicted in a Greek architectural environment, with protagonist wearing Greek clothes.
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Yes this isn't very well known, although it does lead to the occasional debates of where such and such was invented and whether it travelled east or west. One random example I know of is trying to claim that philosophy was born in the East and as a result of Alexander's conquests moved West and influenced Plato and Aristotle.
 
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Yes this isn't very well known, although it does lead to the occasional debates of where such and such was invented and whether it travelled east or west. One random example I know of is trying to claim that philosophy was born in the East and as a result of Alexander's conquests moved West and influenced Plato and Aristotle.
Well, Plato lived from 427-347bc, so he died well before Alexander's rule from 336-323 bc. So it is impossible for Alexander's conquest to have influenced Plato...

Aristotle was Plato's student, and tutor of Alexander the Great.
 
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Yes this isn't very well known, although it does lead to the occasional debates of where such and such was invented and whether it travelled east or west. One random example I know of is trying to claim that philosophy was born in the East and as a result of Alexander's conquests moved West and influenced Plato and Aristotle.


It is important that the first statues of Buddha ever, were made in the period of King Menander, precisely when the first Greek Buddhist coins appeared!
Even Japanese scholars argue that some of their deities must have been influenced by Greek counterparts.

Regarding philosophy, should I remind you that Thales, Anaximander, Anaxagoras and other Greek philosopheres were born BEFORE Buddha, Confucius etc. Pre-socratic Greek philosophy began before the Greek campaign in India.
 
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Regarding philosophy, should I remind you that Thales, Anaximander, Anaxagoras and other Greek philosopheres were born BEFORE Buddha, Confucius etc. Pre-socratic Greek philosophy began before the Greek campaign in India.
I know that, I wasn't actually endorsing this view.
 
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Thessalonian, it would be a good idea to use quotation marks when you're quoting something. That would tell us what's a direct quote and what are your own words. Even if the entire post is basically a quotation from Wikipedia and you have provided the relevant link as the source.
 
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