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| − | translated from the Pali by <br/> | + | translated from the [[Pali]] by <br/> |
Maurice O'Connell Walshe}}<br/><br/> | Maurice O'Connell Walshe}}<br/><br/> | ||
| − | [At Isipatana the Venerable Ko.t.thika the Great called on the Venerable Saariputta and said:] | + | [At [[Isipatana]] the [[Venerable]] Ko.t.thika the Great called on the [[Venerable]] Saariputta and said:] |
| − | "How is it, friend: Is the eye the fetter[1] of visual objects or are visual objects the fetter of the eye?... Is the tongue the fetter of tastes, or are tastes the fetter of the tongue?... Is mind the fetter of thoughts,[2] or are thoughts, the fetter of mind?" | + | "How is it, [[friend]]: Is the [[eye]] the [[fetter]][1] of [[visual objects]] or are [[visual objects]] the [[fetter]] of the [[eye]]?... Is the {{Wiki|tongue}} the [[fetter]] of {{Wiki|tastes}}, or are {{Wiki|tastes}} the [[fetter]] of the {{Wiki|tongue}}?... Is [[mind]] the [[fetter]] of [[thoughts]],[2] or are [[thoughts]], the [[fetter]] of [[mind]]?" |
| − | "It is not, friend, that the eye is the fetter of visual objects, nor are visual objects the fetter of the eye, but that based on these two desire and lust[3] arise, and they are the fetter,... it is not that the tongue is the fetter of tastes,... that mind is the fetter of thoughts,... but that based on these two desire and lust arise, and they are the fetter. | + | "It is not, [[friend]], that the [[eye]] is the [[fetter]] of [[visual objects]], nor are [[visual objects]] the [[fetter]] of the [[eye]], but that based on these two [[desire]] and [[lust]][3] arise, and they are the [[fetter]],... it is not that the {{Wiki|tongue}} is the [[fetter]] of {{Wiki|tastes}},... that [[mind]] is the [[fetter]] of [[thoughts]],... but that based on these two [[desire]] and [[lust]] arise, and they are the [[fetter]]. |
| − | "It is just as if there were a black and a white ox bound together by one rope or one yoke-tie: would it be right to say that the black ox is the fetter of the white one, or the white one of the black?" | + | "It is just as if there were a black and a white ox bound together by one rope or one yoke-tie: would it be right to say that the black ox is the [[fetter]] of the white one, or the white one of the black?" |
| − | "No, indeed, friend." | + | "No, indeed, [[friend]]." |
| − | "Neither the black nor the white ox is the fetter of the other, but they are bound together by the same rope or the same yoke-tie, that is the fetter. So too friend, the eye is not the fetter of objects, nor are objects the fetter of eye,... the tongue,... the mind... but based on these two desire and lust arise, and they are the fetter. | + | "Neither the black nor the white ox is the [[fetter]] of the other, but they are bound together by the same rope or the same yoke-tie, that is the [[fetter]]. So too [[friend]], the [[eye]] is not the [[fetter]] of [[objects]], nor are [[objects]] the [[fetter]] of [[eye]],... the {{Wiki|tongue}},... the [[mind]]... but based on these two [[desire]] and [[lust]] arise, and they are the [[fetter]]. |
| − | "If, friend, the eye were the fetter of visual objects, or visual objects were the fetter of the eye,... if the tongue,... if the mind were the fetter of thoughts or thoughts were the fetter of mind,[4] then this holy life would not be discernible[5] for the utter destruction of suffering. But since it is not case..., therefore this holy life is discernible for the utter destruction of suffering. | + | "If, [[friend]], the [[eye]] were the [[fetter]] of [[visual objects]], or [[visual objects]] were the [[fetter]] of the [[eye]],... if the {{Wiki|tongue}},... if the [[mind]] were the [[fetter]] of [[thoughts]] or [[thoughts]] were the [[fetter]] of [[mind]],[4] then this {{Wiki|holy}} [[life]] would not be discernible[5] for the utter destruction of [[suffering]]. But since it is not case..., therefore this {{Wiki|holy}} [[life]] is discernible for the utter destruction of [[suffering]]. |
| − | "Thus it should be understood that the eye is not the fetter..., the tongue..., the mind..., but that based on these two desire and lust arise, and they are the fetter. The Blessed One, friend, has eyes, he sees objects with the eye. But in the Blessed One there is no desire or lust. The Blessed One's heart is completely liberated. The Blessed One has a tongue..., a mind, he knows thoughts with the mind. But in the Blessed One there is no desire or lust. The Blessed One's heart is completely liberated. Thus it should be understood that the eye is not the fetter..., the tongue..., the mind, but that based on these two desire and lust arise, and they are the fetter."[6] | + | "Thus it should be understood that the [[eye]] is not the [[fetter]]..., the {{Wiki|tongue}}..., the [[mind]]..., but that based on these two [[desire]] and [[lust]] arise, and they are the [[fetter]]. The [[Blessed One]], [[friend]], has [[eyes]], he sees [[objects]] with the [[eye]]. But in the [[Blessed One]] there is no [[desire]] or [[lust]]. The Blessed One's [[heart]] is completely {{Wiki|liberated}}. The [[Blessed One]] has a {{Wiki|tongue}}..., a [[mind]], he [[knows]] [[thoughts]] with the [[mind]]. But in the [[Blessed One]] there is no [[desire]] or [[lust]]. The Blessed One's [[heart]] is completely {{Wiki|liberated}}. Thus it should be understood that the [[eye]] is not the [[fetter]]..., the {{Wiki|tongue}}..., the [[mind]], but that based on these two [[desire]] and [[lust]] arise, and they are the [[fetter]]."[6] |
==Notes== | ==Notes== | ||
| − | 1. The word used is sa.myojana, more technically employed for the ten fetters which must be successively broken on the path to enligthenment. The question here concerns the relation between the senses and their objects: which "fetters" which? The answer is: "Neither." | + | 1. The [[word]] used is sa.myojana, more technically employed for the [[ten fetters]] which must be [[successively]] broken on the [[path]] to enligthenment. The question here concerns the [[relation]] between the [[senses]] and their [[objects]]: which "[[fetters]]" which? The answer is: "Neither." |
| − | 2. Dhammaa is here used in one of its specific senses: "mind-objects." | + | 2. Dhammaa is here used in one of its specific [[senses]]: "[[mind-objects]]." |
| − | 3. Chandaraaga. Chanda is, as such, an ethically neutral term for "intention," etc. But in combination with raaga "lust, greed," it is definitely unwholesome. It is this state, based on the coexistence of eye and sight-objects, etc., that constitutes the "fetter." | + | 3. Chandaraaga. [[Chanda]] is, as such, an [[ethically]] [[neutral]] term for "[[intention]]," etc. But in combination with raaga "[[lust]], [[greed]]," it is definitely [[unwholesome]]. It is this state, based on the coexistence of [[eye]] and sight-objects, etc., that constitutes the "[[fetter]]." |
| − | 4. It is only possible because the eye is not the "fetter" of objects, and so on, that release is possible. | + | 4. It is only possible because the [[eye]] is not the "[[fetter]]" of [[objects]], and so on, that release is possible. |
| − | 5. Na paññaayetha lit. "would not be perceived." | + | 5. Na paññaayetha lit. "would not be [[perceived]]." |
| − | 6. Woodward goes astray here. He translates: "The bond is the desire and lust which are in things." The whole point, however, is that the desire and lust are in the mind, and not in "things," or there would indeed be no deliverance. | + | 6. Woodward goes astray here. He translates: "The bond is the [[desire]] and [[lust]] which are in things." The whole point, however, is that the [[desire]] and [[lust]] are in the [[mind]], and not in "things," or there would indeed be no [[deliverance]]. |
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Ko.t.thiko Sutta: Ko.t.thika
translated from the Pali by
Maurice O'Connell Walshe
[At Isipatana the Venerable Ko.t.thika the Great called on the Venerable Saariputta and said:]
"How is it, friend: Is the eye the fetter[1] of visual objects or are visual objects the fetter of the eye?... Is the tongue the fetter of tastes, or are tastes the fetter of the tongue?... Is mind the fetter of thoughts,[2] or are thoughts, the fetter of mind?"
"It is not, friend, that the eye is the fetter of visual objects, nor are visual objects the fetter of the eye, but that based on these two desire and lust[3] arise, and they are the fetter,... it is not that the tongue is the fetter of tastes,... that mind is the fetter of thoughts,... but that based on these two desire and lust arise, and they are the fetter.
"It is just as if there were a black and a white ox bound together by one rope or one yoke-tie: would it be right to say that the black ox is the fetter of the white one, or the white one of the black?"
"No, indeed, friend."
"Neither the black nor the white ox is the fetter of the other, but they are bound together by the same rope or the same yoke-tie, that is the fetter. So too friend, the eye is not the fetter of objects, nor are objects the fetter of eye,... the tongue,... the mind... but based on these two desire and lust arise, and they are the fetter.
"If, friend, the eye were the fetter of visual objects, or visual objects were the fetter of the eye,... if the tongue,... if the mind were the fetter of thoughts or thoughts were the fetter of mind,[4] then this holy life would not be discernible[5] for the utter destruction of suffering. But since it is not case..., therefore this holy life is discernible for the utter destruction of suffering.
"Thus it should be understood that the eye is not the fetter..., the tongue..., the mind..., but that based on these two desire and lust arise, and they are the fetter. The Blessed One, friend, has eyes, he sees objects with the eye. But in the Blessed One there is no desire or lust. The Blessed One's heart is completely liberated. The Blessed One has a tongue..., a mind, he knows thoughts with the mind. But in the Blessed One there is no desire or lust. The Blessed One's heart is completely liberated. Thus it should be understood that the eye is not the fetter..., the tongue..., the mind, but that based on these two desire and lust arise, and they are the fetter."[6]
Notes
1. The word used is sa.myojana, more technically employed for the ten fetters which must be successively broken on the path to enligthenment. The question here concerns the relation between the senses and their objects: which "fetters" which? The answer is: "Neither."
2. Dhammaa is here used in one of its specific senses: "mind-objects."
3. Chandaraaga. Chanda is, as such, an ethically neutral term for "intention," etc. But in combination with raaga "lust, greed," it is definitely unwholesome. It is this state, based on the coexistence of eye and sight-objects, etc., that constitutes the "fetter."
4. It is only possible because the eye is not the "fetter" of objects, and so on, that release is possible.
5. Na paññaayetha lit. "would not be perceived."
6. Woodward goes astray here. He translates: "The bond is the desire and lust which are in things." The whole point, however, is that the desire and lust are in the mind, and not in "things," or there would indeed be no deliverance.
